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WELSH LOCAL GOVERNMENT ASSOCIATION

Evidence to Richard Commission
On the Structure, Powers & Electoral Arrangements of the
National Assembly For Wales

Structure and working arrangements of the National Assembly

  • If the Assembly were to acquire greater law making powers – is it inevitable that it would need to be reconstituted on the Parliamentary model?
  • If so what organisational changes would be needed to support this model and what would be the gains and losses from making this change?

Effectiveness of Assembly Committees

34.   Since the formal establishment of a Welsh Assembly Government taking over the executive function of the constituted Assembly there has been greater clarity in Assembly executive decision making. The arrangement is much more focused around traditional models of governance, and ensures that responsibility is clearer and the roles of the executive and legislature are defined.

35.   The consequent impact on the role of Assembly committees is more difficult to gauge. The similarities with the Executive scrutiny split in local government are marked in this regard. Thus while some committees subject the Executive to forensic examination of policy, undertake policy development and review and widen the public debate on key issues; others are mere "talking shops" often with little to do than agree or move business. It is for the Assembly itself to determine the effectiveness of its committee structure, but we would make the following general observations.

36.   Some of the evidence provided to the Association by our members suggest that some Committees have not grasped the "big" issues, provided effective scrutiny or exposed legislation proposals to the additional rigour originally intended. It could be assumed that this was because of their new role and lack of support, and one would hope to see an improvement in scrutiny in the new term (dependant on how often the committees sit).

37.   Alternatively, the potential contribution of the Committees to policy development cannot be underestimated. The policy reviews which are undertaken are thorough and provide Ministers with viable options for policy development. The Committees are inclusive in their approach and invite many organisations, including local government, to give evidence.

Evidence Giving

38.   Concerns have been raised about the role the Committees have in calling organisations to give evidence. It is not mandatory for local government to attend when invited, although we make all possible attempts to do so in the spirit of partnership working. Committees must understand however that elected local government cannot be summoned to provide evidence and it will not always be possible for representation from councils to be forthcoming. For local government meeting both the demands of their own legitimate role, particularly the additional demands following the Local Government Act 2000, and Assembly scrutiny is not always possible.

39.   The WLGA would however regard it appropriate that local government members or other relevant experts were co-opted onto relevant committees to contribute to debates, for example, the WLGA’s education or social affairs spokespersons could be invited to participate during specific and relevant sessions. This would not only be appropriate, as many such issues fall within local government’s delivery remit, but could allow for a more informed and balanced debate.

40.   The WLGA is concerned at the role and activities of subject committees in that they can sometimes focus on their policy development or ‘policy review’ role at the expense of effective scrutiny. The WLGA would argue that while they play a valuable policy development role, the primary role of the committees should be to focus on scrutiny. While it is true that scrutiny is taking time to develop in some authorities, the WLGA recommends that it would be useful for comparative research to be undertaken across devolved and local government on good practice in scrutiny models which makes the process more robust.

Joined Up Working?

41.   From the outset the National Assembly and the Welsh Assembly Government have been active in promoting crosscutting policy areas such as sustainable development, equalities and social inclusion. This has resulted in a much greater focus on these areas when creating policies around health, transport and education for example. In terms of raising the profile the Assembly is to be congratulated for attempting to ensure that policies join-up at the strategic and the operational level.

42.   Where these attempts at crosscutting working are hampered it is often due to the internal working arrangements of the Assembly. Local government is continually being exhorted to work in partnership with others to deliver, indeed it is a statutory duty. In broad terms this would be facilitated by the recognition within the Assembly that it must also improve its own corporate governance arrangements to ensure greater consistency across Assembly divisions. This is particularly the case on Assembly policy development.

43.   There is a range of examples to illustrate the point. The recent substance misuse guidance is aimed at community safety partnerships on which the local health boards are expected to play a major role. Unfortunately the Assembly division responsible for local health boards, have not issued guidance to the local health boards on their role in the substance misuse debate. Another example would be the guidance on Community Strategies which enforced a duty on local authorities to establish a partnership yet it is only recently through Assembly remit letters to ASPBs that those bodies need to be involved in partnerships and indeed were fully aware of this concept. The result leads to a mixed response at the local level of key partnership bodies in local strategic partnerships. The debate around the emergence of Health and Wellbeing strategies was a further example in this area where Assembly divisions struggled to come to terms with each other’s respective responsibilities.

44.   The Assembly needs to ensure that its internal communication mechanisms are improved in order for policy to be delivered on the ground. All public bodies can suffer from "silo" mentality and there is evidence that the Assembly has yet to fully come to terms with these issues. The cultural impact is hindering the Assembly from delivering to its full potential and is a source of frustration for those on the ground it is asking to work in partnership.

Regional Committees

45.   The National Assembly also operates within a regional structure with four regional committees meeting approximately every two months. These committees provide the public with the opportunity to raise issues with Assembly members and for the Members to be able to scrutinise how Assembly policy is being delivered at the local level.

46.   The regional dimension to such committees shows diversity in their operation. A very brief analysis of previous agendas shows that the majority of the Committees prefer to focus a session around one particular item. One would question whether this would encourage the public to participate or even attend such a meeting. From this brief analysis it was also noticeable that the Committees quite often relied on local government officers to provide them with reports and advice.

47.   The WLGA has noted that attendance of these sessions has been variable. This includes the presence of AMs with recent evidence which suggesting that 29 of the 60 AMs missed at least half of the regional meetings during 20022. This begs the question whether this represents real consultation with the Welsh public.

48.   Our view on the Regional Committees is predicated on the evidence provided by our members. In some parts of Wales these bodies appear to have real salience while in others we are yet to be convinced that the current approach adds value. The proposal for the Assembly’s Subject Committees to take place outside of Cardiff has been mooted recently, a move the Association would warmly welcome. If this was to occur the role of the regional Committees would be need to be clarified. The Association feels that these Committees should therefore be subject to a review on the grounds of effectiveness, commitment of members and their relationship to Subject Committees.

2 Findings from S4C’s ‘Y Byd ar Bedwar’, 8th January 2003