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annex 1

SF JD 093702

The Rt Hon Lord Richard QC
The Commission on the Powers and Electoral Arrangements of the National Assembly for Wales
Commission Secretariat
Room 21-1 Cathays Park
Cardiff
CF10 3NW

Thank you for your letter of 29 July, I look forward to giving oral evidence on 24th October. For simplicity, the material below follows the structure and order suggested in your letter.

 

Please describe the range of issues covered within your Ministerial portfolio and include a summary description of the powers which you have available to implement the policies.

My portfolio of education and lifelong learning mainly covers primary, secondary, further and higher education and training. With very few exceptions, all the functions of the Secretary of State in primary legislation are vested in the National Assembly for Wales, in relation to Wales, either under Transfer of Functions Orders or, directly, by the primary legislation.
The main exceptions to this are in two major areas – the main student support scheme and tuition fees, and teachers pay and conditions of employment – legislative references are contained in the attached annexes.
I have listed some of the more important functions where there is scope for policy development in the attached Annexes but there are a number of Wales-only powers (though in some cases there are very similar England only powers too) conferred by post-devolution Education Acts which I should like to draw specifically to your attention as they are tailored to the Welsh Assembly Government’s specific policy aspirations.
These include:
 
powers to provide for a youth support service in Wales, by giving directions to local authorities in Wales requiring them to provide/secure the provision of youth support services and to participate in the provision of youth support services. These powers have been drafted in a way which allows us to respond to youth needs and aspirations in a broad and flexible manner including taking account of securing their active engagement as citizens.
 
powers relating to the National Curriculum. These include enabling the National Assembly to add to the basic curriculum of maintained schools in Wales so as to include additional matters such as personal and social education and work related education. There are also powers to relax the very lengthy procedural requirements to be followed when the Assembly amends the National Curriculum.
 
powers enabling the Local Education Authorities (LEAs)/governing bodies to make regional provision for pupils with special educational needs, including establishing regional schools and very wide powers enabling the NAW to direct LEAs’ and governing bodies if necessary;
 
provision for the establishment of a separate Special Educational Needs Tribunal for Wales;
 
new, simpler, powers enabling the National Assembly for Wales to require schools to publish information, including value-added indicators;
 
power by regulations for NAW to require LEAs and governing bodies of maintained schools to enter into partnership agreements as to how the authority and governing body are to discharge their respective functions in relation to the school as regards matters specified in the Regulations and such other matters as the authority and governing body may agree;
 
provision enabling NAW, by regulations, to require secondary schools and their feeder primaries to draw up plans to facilitate the transition from primary school to secondary school;
 
a power enabling the National Council for Education and Training for Wales to give financial assistance to links between employers and providers or receivers of education and training;
 
powers in respect of inspection of post 16 education and training in Wales which enable the inspection of all such provision by a single inspectorate;
 
a power enabling the National Council for Education and Training for Wales to give financial assistance to links between employers and providers or receivers of education and training;
 

powers in respect of inspection of post 16 education and training in Wales which enable the inspection of all such provision by a single inspectorate.

 

Can you give examples of policy development using these powers in the Assembly’s first term.

We have been able to continue to develop a distinctive agenda in Wales to meet our own needs and aspirations. Much of that agenda is set out in The Learning Country. There are a number of England/Wales or Wales only powers which the Welsh Assembly Government has been able to use to implement new policies, for example
 
to abolish statutory tests at NC Key Stage I;
 
to extend the requirement to provide careers education to cover the FE sector;
 
introduction of the Assembly Learning Grant Scheme;
 
to give effect to the decision that schools will no longer be required to publish "league table" information;
 
to provide bursaries for persons undertaking training to teach in an FE college;
 
to enable the National Council for Education and Training for Wales to make provision for the range of adult training covered by the Work Based Learning for Adults programme;
 
to enable the Careers Wales companies to deliver an all-age careers information, advice and guidance service ;
 
to enable the National Council for Education and Training for Wales to make provision for the range of adult training covered by the Work Based Learning for Adults programme;
 

to enable the Careers Wales companies to deliver an all-age careers information, advice and guidance service (Employment and Training Act 1973 sections 2 and 8-10).

 

Can you give examples of policy aspirations where either the breadth or depth of the Assembly’s powers have been a constraint

It is in the nature of any tier of government that sometimes you cannot immediately act independently. The various Wales-only powers set out above themselves were the result of policy aspirations for which we then needed to seek primary legislation in partnership with Westminster. Sometimes it is a question of finding different approaches to take forward an agenda, sometimes of influencing Whitehall departments and sometimes aspirations are genuinely unattainable. The examples below cover this range in full.
A notable example of an area where the Education and Lifelong Learning committee of the Assembly expressed disappointment at the limits on the powers of the Assembly was the way in which it was not possible for the National Assembly for Wales to make separate provision from England for the criterion to be met for teachers to qualify for "threshold" performance pay as all the functions in respect of teachers’ statutory pay and conditions were vested in the Secretary of State.
I also wished to encourage LEAs to provide for low incidence special educational needs on a regional basis, but it was doubtful whether this was feasible under the existing statutory framework and the Assembly had no powers prior to the 2002 Education Act to require LEAs to plan or, where necessary, to bring forward proposals for regional provision or for the establishment of regional schools.
The powers provided in the Learning and Skills Act 2000 for the establishment of the National Council for Education and Training for Wales essentially replicated those for the Learning and Skills Councils in England and were not designed to facilitate the nature and range of transfers of functions, staff, assets and liabilities and on-going business from predecessor to successor organisations that were required in Wales. A combination of legal devices has had to be employed to give effect to the transfers in Wales.
The powers used to set up the Assembly Learning Grant Scheme were cumbersome not least because the Assembly has no direct powers for student support. The Assembly had no direct powers to pay grants, so we had to use a combination of LEA powers to pay bursaries and Assembly powers to support LEA expenditure in the interests of education in Wales. This might be regarded as unsatisfactory –though since it meant that the scheme would fail without the active support of all LEAs it can also be regarded as an example of successful partnership.
The Welsh Assembly Government is seeking to ensure a cohesive and integrated approach to the provision of all post-16 education and training, and – through funding incentives – to bring about a greater degree of collaboration and co-operation within the Higher Education (HE) sector. The establishment of the National Council (ELWa- NC) brought together the planning and provision of Further Education (FE) and training. However, there is no similar planning function for the Higher Education Funding Council for Wales (HEFCW ) and primary legislation would be needed to give one to the Council. At the same time, to facilitate the cohesive approach to post-16 education and training, the Assembly would also wish to broaden and strengthen the powers of the National Council and HEFCW to exercise functions jointly, and to enable the staff of one Council to undertake work for the other. The Assembly was not able to include in the Education Bill last year a provision to enable joint employment of staff by the NCETW and HEFCW because of the restricted ambit of the Bill.

The Assembly was not able to secure a provision which would have enabled it to put in place regulations to limit junior class sizes along the lines of the provision in the Schools Standards and Framework Act 1998 which applies to infant class sizes. The policy aspiration remains and I am using partnership and funding mechanisms to take our agenda forward.

 

To what extent have you been able to promote those policy aspirations by influencing Whitehall

Influence is always difficult to judge. There have certainly been occasions when there has been a reluctance to give Wales too much by way of discretionary or enabling powers especially where they were in areas where the Department for Education and Skills were not seeking like flexibility e.g. junior class sizes. There was also understandable concern that we should be able to justify why Wales needed different treatment. In practice, there has been little absolute constraint upon our aspirations to date. Some suggestions we have made have been accepted for wider application as a recognition of the merits of the case – such as the power for the General Teaching Councils in England and Wales to attach conditions to suspensions.
In relation to Assembly Learning Grants, we were not able to persuade the Department for Education and Skills (DfES) to include a tailored power in the 2002 Education Act, although they did indicate that they would have been prepared to make regulations for Wales using the Secretary of State’s non-devolved powers. In the event, as I describe above, we were able to achieve the Welsh Assembly Government’s objective by using a combination of National Assembly and Local Education Authority powers. We were not able to secure agreement to a widening of the ambit of the Education Bill to include any matters which related to higher education but we were however able to secure agreement to the inclusion of a number of provisions for Wales-only exercise, as I described at the outset. In addition to that, we were able to persuade DfES to separate the National Curriculum into a National Curriculum for Wales and a National Curriculum for England.

We were also able to influence Whitehall policy, resulting in some provisions where the policy was driven by the Assembly. The best example is the new provisions in the 2002 Act enabling schools to be federated under single governing body. Instructions to Parliamentary Counsel had been prepared by Assembly lawyers. Discussions between policy makers convinced DfES that there was merit in having such provisions. When England decided to come on board, revised instructions were prepared by the Assembly lawyer and the DfES lawyer acting jointly reflecting the jointly agreed policy. From memory, the provisions to add to the basic curriculum was one of our policies which DfES adopted. We wanted it for PSE and WRE but they had no such need. They took the same powers for England but we had to settle for a compromise of not having powers to do anything in respect of existing basic curriculum (sex education and RE). The LEA functions: qualifications provisions – section 190 in the Education Act 2002 – was a Wales initiative to put the status of the Welsh Joint Education Committee (WJEC) beyond all doubt but which DfES adopted as an E&W provision with DfTE in the lead on briefing.

 

Have you been able to influence policy on non-devolved matters by influencing Whitehall.

As I have said at the outset, there are few major areas where existing powers are not devolved. We have kept in as close touch as we can on these including giving evidence to the STRB. There are successes - for example, we worked closely with the DfES in developing the transition from National Training Organisations to Sector Skills Councils (the powers used, section 2 of the 1973 Employment and Training Act are exercisable concurrently by the UK Government and the Assembly). DfES agreed to our operational requirements for the new Councils (for example that they provide research information for Wales) and to fund their core activities in Wales. We have also worked very closely with Jobcentre Plus (and the Employment Service which preceded it) to steer labour market interventions towards addressing economic inactivity rather than just those who were registered unemployed. The role of the Wales New Deal Task Force has been instrumental in achieving this. In other areas we have been less successful, for example in engaging with DTI on policies for promoting work-life balance.

However an allied issue is the extent to which we are driven to follow policies imposed by primary legislation that we might otherwise not have chosen to develop. In putting their policies and legislative proposals before Parliament, DfES were reluctant to acknowledge the possibility that substantially different policies might apply in Wales and to present the legislation accordingly as something which could be used differently in England and Wales. However, to the extent that commencement of each of the Education Act provisions is for the Assembly to determine and to the extent that the provisions enable different arrangements to be provided for in secondary legislation made by the Assembly, the Act does effectively give the Assembly scope to pursue its own course in Wales. For example in the Education Act 2002, section 13, powers of the Secretary of State to form companies. This is England only but we were only able to stay out of this provision because the Government of Wales Act would allow the Assembly to do what section 13 permits for England. Against that we were successful in not applying section 70 proposals for additional secondary schools which are England only in the Act. Other areas where we did not ourselves feel the need to seek powers or where we felt existing powers were sufficient (for example to facilitate innovation, to set minimum schools budget, co-ordination of admission arrangements, schools causing concern ) are nevertheless on the statute book for Wales.

 

Are there areas of policy where responsibilities are divided between the Assembly and Whitehall in ways which (a) have a. worked well or (b) presented practical problems

Lawyers in the Education team in the Assembly have developed a very close working relationship with their counterparts in DfES. In most cases where there may be potential problems, these can be overcome by the Assembly official/lawyers working closely with their DfES opposite numbers to work out practical solutions. The interface between some non-devolved provisions in the Education Act 2002 with devolved provisions has caused some problems where DfES wished to bring the non-devolved provisions into force in advance of the date on which the Assembly had planned to bring into force the associated devolved provision, but we think the problems will be resolvable by the creative use of transitional provisions under which we may modify provisions in the Act.
Some practical problems have arisen in the context of teachers’ pay and conditions where a lack of clarity on the appraisal criteria for the award of pay awards (a non devolved area) gave us difficulties as the costs of such awards falls, in Wales, to the Assembly.
There can also be practical problems where the relevant function is devolved. This is particularly a problem in relation to the regulation of teachers where there are cross-border issues, for example Teacher Induction Regulations. In practice we have always been able to find practical solutions by working closely with DfES. However, it has yet to be tested whether DfES will feel compelled to follow our lead in policy areas where we are ahead in order to maintain cross border consistency e.g. induction and early years professional development.
Relationships with other Whitehall Departments are less well developed - for example in relation to the Home Office functions in respect of the Youth Justice board. It is novel for Wales to want to change arrangements here but our Extending Entitlement agenda for young people has led us in different paths to England and that has not been straightforward to achieve.
I shall not attempt to draw conclusions from this but I hope that it has been a helpful – if summarised – view across my portfolio.