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SUBMISSION TO RICHARD COMMISSION
from Dr. Brian Gibbons AM

Summary

To date, the National Assembly has made good use of the breadth and depth of powers that is available to it.

However, even at this early stage, there are clear limitations on the present settlement to address the range of problems facing Wales. As devolution develops the need for an extension of powers seems inevitable.

It is desirable that the National Assembly should be fully inclusive and representative of the major streams of political allegiance in Wales. However the list system is not working well. If there is a requirement that proportionality should be built into the electoral system, some form of STV could be considered for Assembly elections.

The present number of AMs is about right and they could cope with some additional responsibilities. But this is conditional on a re-arrangement of existing work patterns to cater for the additional workload of constituency AMs. In time, a modest increase in numbers (up to 80) might be required.

The legal and remunerative framework for Deputy Ministers should be reviewed.

 

POWERS OF THE NATIONAL ASSEMBLY FOR WALES.

While the turnout in the National Assembly Elections in May was disappointing and could be seen as a lack of general public support for the devolution project, this was not the perception on the door step. Indifference rather that opposition is probably a better summary of the public mood.

The electorate had a chance to vote for "anti Assembly" parties. While the relatively good performance by the Welsh Conservatives could be interpreted as a possible anti-Assembly protest vote, out and out opponents such the United Kingdom Independence Party only secured between 2.6% (North Wales) and 4.4% (South Wales West) in the regional list elections. Attempts to launch a single issue anti-Assembly party floundered even before the elections took place.

So it is reasonable to argue that devolution is an accepted part of the Welsh political landscape.

The constitutional issues arising from devolution are not high on the electorate’s political priorities. Electors are more concerned about service delivery. While Welsh nationalists frequently argue that the failure of service delivery is due to inadequate National Assembly powers, this is not a view widely shared in my constituency. Consequently the decision to extend Assembly powers should not be made on the basis of some nationalist or constitutional crusade but rather on the requirements of democratically accountable governance and effective service delivery to the people of Wales.

Why devolution?

I am a strong supporter of devolution as it:

  • Brings power and accountability closer to Welsh people
  • Allows government to be more responsive to the political and cultural values of the people of Wales.
  • Gives the people of Wales a more immediate responsibility in seeking "Welsh solutions to Welsh problems"
  • A counter-balance to the inevitable low priority that central government will give to any peripheral country or region with just 5% of the UK population.
  • Provides Wales with a higher international profile which is a major asset in a future of Europe of small countries and regions

The devolution referendum result was a close run thing. While Welsh nationalists and Tories had strongly differing views on the merits of devolution, their respective political parties had a uniform position. The split on devolution runs through the middle of Welsh Labour. As the major party in Wales, it is not surprising that it reflects the country’s ambiguities.

In campaigning for a "Yes" in the Assembly Referendum, the proposals on offer were probably the best that would be likely to secure a positive vote. This rather restricted package was opposed by both those who did not support devolution and those who felt the package was too timid. Paradoxically many opponents of devolution also argued that if we were to have devolution, we should have a more comprehensive set of proposals.

Subsequent opinion polls on devolution suggest that extended powers for the Assembly is by far the most popular choice with the Welsh electorate compared to maintaining the status quo or abolishing the Assembly, with the level of support hovering around the 50% level.

Existing Powers

While I would have favoured a more ambitious devolution package in the first instance and would certainly not regard the present settlement to be the last word on the issue, I have been pleased that existing powers has delivered substantive and distinctive polices for Wales e.g. free local bus transport for older people and people with a disability, the Assembly Learning Grants, abolition of prescription charges, the Welsh Individual Learning Accounts, the Welsh Bac pilots, local health boards, the Townsend Formula for NHS resource allocation, retaining Community Health Councils, Children’s Commissioner, Older People’s Strategy, Assembly Investment Grants, Communities First programme etc.

On the other hand, the present arrangements can place constraints on the development of devolution in Wales and there is a strong case for reviewing the present range of powers.

The Terms of Reference of the Commissions seeks to enquire about attitudes towards extending the breadth (range of areas that are devolved) and depth (extent of the powers in these areas) of present arrangements.

Extending breadth of devolution.

The present areas of Assembly responsibility are purely arbitrary. They started as the responsibilities of the Secretary of State for Wales at a particular moment in time. The extent of these powers was not under-pinned by any coherent over view or set of principles. Examples of this are the arbitrary limits on dealing with the planning process for energy generating installations, with facilities below 50Mw being dealt with by the Assembly with bigger applications going to the DTI or while the Assembly has a number of public transport responsibilities, it has no formal say in internal Welsh rail services.

The range of devolved powers evolved in a fairly random way. And since the National Assembly formation there has been some further modest ad-hoc extension in the breath of its responsibilities in a number of relatively minor areas.

We need to take stock of the overall breadth of Assembly powers and to try to bring some coherence to the situation. As a general principle, the National Assembly should be responsible for all internal domestic affairs except where there is a need for broad UK or EU approach. In accepting this responsibility, there is the clear implication that the necessary level of funding will follow in the Welsh block.

We are some way from this at the moment, but in the short term we should consider further devolution for the police, fire and internal Wales & Borders rail services.

Fire and police services have local governing bodies which includes representatives of exclusively Welsh interests including local government. They, and the local rail network, interface with other services that are already Assembly responsibilities. With the possible exception of rail, these services seem to work well across existing organisational boundaries. A further devolution of responsibility would therefore consolidate practice on the ground rather than creating a radical new set of relationships. Rail devolution seems a logical requirement to provide a coherent policy framework for an integrated Welsh transport framework.

Apart from the benefits of making domestic services more sensitive and accountable to local needs, a cohesive transfer of domestic responsibilities will protect the Assembly from having to react to UK policies which have little Welsh relevance. This has happened in many areas such as health and education. While opt-outs have been negotiated in a number of instances (e.g. foundation hospitals, abolition of community health councils, specialist schools), time and energy is spent negotiating these opt-outs instead of dealing with Welsh priorities.

The present set of arrangements link Wales and England particularly closely together. We share many common problems and their solution in England (with its bigger population and more resources in absolute terms) can be to Wales’ advantage (e.g. National Institute of Clinical Excellence, Food Standards Agency). Equally opportunities can be provided to allow specific Welsh clauses to be included in bills that may have greater relevance to England (e.g. Education Act 2000).

But there are also instances where the demography, geography and political culture of Wales is different and "English solutions" are not appropriate. Often it is more appropriate to learn from other countries and regions in the UK (or abroad) but implementation can be difficult as long as Wales is obliged to work within an England – Wales framework which is heavily England focused.

In the areas of free personal social care (where Wales has an larger and poorer older population ) and the draft Mental Health Bill we were more in tune with a Scottish approach but were constrained in moving in this direction not only because we did not have the primary law making powers to do so, but also because England (through the UK parliament) took a different view.

Extending depth of devolution

The lack of primary legislative powers is also a weakness of the present devolution settlement. To date, this has not been a massive problem in preventing the Assembly government addressing its priorities of promoting prosperity, tackling inequalities, building strong & safe communities and creating a world class Wales. This should not be a surprise as all parts of the UK shared a common agenda of ridding us of the legacy of Conservative rule. And the initial stages, devolution will a common starting point of a centralised government policy.

But at events unfurl and Wales exploits the opportunities of devolution, legislative requirements must inevitably diverge with different priorities asserting themselves. The rate of this divergence is difficult to predict. The good working relations between Labour administrations in Westminster and Cardiff have been able to accommodate many of the requirements for "Wales only" solutions. But such arrangements are likely to become more strained if there were different parties in control of the UK and Welsh Assembly governments. Many Labour supporters voted for devolution, even if not convinced devolutionists, because they never wished to see a future UK government impose policies on their country in the way that Conservative governments of the Eighties and Nineties did.

At the moment, the Assembly has the "right" to its own piece of legislation in each year’s Queen’s Speech. To date more that one piece of legislation has been "offered" to the UK government which then decides which one will be taken forward. There have been instances when this process was inadequate and it has been necessary to add Welsh requirements onto some current bill as occurred with the Children’s Commissioner and many aspects of the recent NHS structural changes. It was fortuitous that the opportunity to improvise in this way was available, but this can hardly be a satisfactory way to proceed for the future.

The Assembly will have to change its working patterns to incorporate primary legislative functions into its activities. But the details will depend on the likely annual legislative burden. It is not possible to quantify this at the moment as Wales shares a common legal framework with England, unlike Scotland and Northern Ireland. Consequently a requirement for specific Welsh primary legislation will only occur where the England / UK Parliament has decided to take a significantly different line to the National Assembly or where a specific "Wales only" issue emerges which has little relevance to most of England.

The pre-legislative examination of the NHS Wales Act (2002) was a useful dry run for primary legislative powers. While the bill was short and not particularly controversial, there were points of party disagreement and the Assembly scrutiny did produce a number of useful observations and suggestions. Further experience along these lines would be a useful stepping stone towards building up the necessary expertise for primary legislative functions.

As both the Northern Ireland Assembly and Scottish Parliament can cope with the demands of primary legislation, there is no inherent reason which the National Assembly for Wales should not be able to do so, though a review of AM numbers might be needed.

Referenda and MP numbers

It debatable that a further referendum is needed to approve the acquisition of primary legislative powers as the Assembly already has law making functions and the acquisition of primary legislation powers is only a extension on this. On the other hand, a move towards tax raising powers should require a referendum as this would be a qualitatively new activity. There is little demand for tax raising powers at the moment though some nationalists argue for such powers in principle and to secure parity with the Scottish Parliament.

The acquisition of primary legislative powers alone should not affect the numbers of Welsh MPs in the House of Commons. It will be necessary to retain their present numbers to deal with budgetary concerns and to inform policy which will give rise to the Barnett consequentials which comprise the Welsh Block.

The recent reconfiguration of the role of the Secretary of State for Wales and the assimilation of the Wales Office into the Department for Constitutional Affairs makes it even more important that Welsh MP numbers are maintained and Assembly powers enhanced.

However if the Assembly was to acquire its own tax raising powers a further rebalancing of MP numbers and the role of the Wales Office would seem logical.

 

ELECTORAL ARRANGEMENTS OF THE NATIONAL ASSEMBLY FOR WALES.

It has been an advantage that the composition of the National Assembly broadly reflects all substantial shades of political opinion in Wales. This has given it a legitimacy to speak for Wales on devolved matters.

Voting systems

However the means of achieving this diversity of opinion leaves a lot to be desired.

It has been particularly galling for Labour Party supporters to see candidates who have been heavily trounced in constituency elections re-emerging as members of the Assembly via the regional list. And in this role, these AMs have parity of esteem in claiming to represent those very electors who have already rejected them once!

One of the most consistent claims for proportional representation voting systems is that every vote counts. But under the present list system, supporters of a party that does well at a constituency level are effectively disenfranchised in the regional list election. The 36.6% of the electorate who voted Labour in the regional list election in this years Assembly elections did not return a single representative!

It also needs to be acknowledged that Wales is, at a minimum, a four party democracy. With a first past the post voting system, this could result in parties with significantly less than 50% of the vote ending up with a massive majority (e.g in the most recent Assembly elections, Labour won 75% of constituency seats with 40% of the constituency vote). This would undermine the credibility of the Assembly as an inclusive and representative voice of Wales.

If the present list system is generally unacceptable and if electors value a clear link between their representatives and their constituency, the possibility of single transferable voting (STV) in multi-seat constituencies could be considered.

In deciding on future Assembly constituency configuration, it may be necessary to consider whether it would be best to align them with either unitary authority boundaries or UK parliamentary seats. As most of day to day Assembly work involves working internally in Wales, it is probably better that Assembly constituencies are coterminous with unitary authority boundaries with one seat per 45–60,000 electors.

Most unitary authorities would be two seat constituencies. Bigger authorities such as Cardiff, Swansea and RCT might be sub-divided to give two or three seat constituencies while smaller unitary authority areas might have to be amalgamated. Alternatively bigger multi-seat single constituencies could be considered for cities such as Swansea and Cardiff to more accurately reflect the diversity of opinion in those conurbations.

STV would be a new voting system but it is used in some trade union elections such as the National Union of Mineworkers and so it would not be totally alien to Welsh political culture.

Number of AMs

The number of electors needed to elect an Assembly Member (AM) would depend of the number of AMs it was felt were needed to undertake the necessary duties. As things stand at the moment, constituency AMs in particular have a difficult job managing a constituency workload (usually done at weekends) and keeping pace with the Assembly agendas which regularly gives less that one weeks notice of forthcoming business. The move to a three week committee business cycle is welcome but it is too early to assess its impact on overall Assembly work demands.

So long as there is some re-organisation of Assembly work timetables, the present number of AMs is probably sufficient for the present work load and even for a reasonable agenda of primary legislation responsibilities. However a quality output will not be sustainable with the present numbers if current work scheduling and work practices remain unchanged, particularly if one party is largely composed of constituency AMs.

Deputy Ministers

The Commission should give some thought to the role of Deputy Ministers. For most of the first term of the National Assembly I was Deputy Health and Social Services Minister.

As well as standing in for the Minister at speaking and other engagements, I also had responsibility for developing policy in a number of specific areas such as a strategy for older people in Wales, waiting time management, representing the Assembly Government on the Miners Compensation Monitoring Committee and Chairing the Project Board for Video Conferencing in the NHS. These duties involved a considerable amount of time but the legal and remunerative framework for this work was far from clear, as the Government of Wales Act did not make any provision for Deputy Ministers. I feel there is a need for Deputy Ministers, particularly in the highest workload departments. Consequently we need further clarification of their role in Assembly governance.

25/6/2003

Footnote
This submission reflects my personal response to the Richards’ Commission consultation papers. As such it should not be seen as necessarily the views of either the Wales Labour Party or Aberavon Constituency Labour Party.