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MILWYN JARMAN QC 1

Contents

A BARRISTER'S PERSPECTIVE ON PROBLEMS WITH CURRENT
LEGISLATION AND POLICY MAKING IN WESTMINSTER AND CARDIFF

1.

The drafting of primary legislation for Wales.

1.1. The agreement of the UK Government to consult the Assembly2 on Bills, which confer new, or alter existing, functions of the Assembly or otherwise affect areas of its responsibility, is not an easy one to implement. The Wales Office, which has the responsibility for taking primary legislation for Wales through Parliament including Welsh clauses in England and Wales Bills, can occasionally miss an issue or a potential for conflict. Sometimes reliance is placed upon Assembly Government to alert the Wales Office to particular issues. 3
1.2 The pre-devolution difficulty of promoting a culture amongst Whitehall officials in which the impact of legislation upon Wales is readily considered, has been eased somewhat by devolution. However, there are still occasions when Whitehall officials who have not previously encountered devolution, forget to consult. 4
1.3. The process depends a great deal upon the personal relationships between ministers at Westminster and Cardiff and between their respective officials. A new minister with no previous experience of devolution can jeopardise the progress of a Bill.
1.4.

An example of the ad-hoc nature of the process is the proposed pensions legislation. The "black hole" in the pensions of former workers at ASW Cardiff has received much publicity in Wales. The Assembly may well wish to have input into that legislation, which is still some time away. There appears to be no formal mechanism for such consultation to take place.

1.5. The absence of a clearly defined set of principles accepted by Westminster and Cardiff does nothing to promote certainty and openness in a complex system.

2.

The treatment of Wales in primary legislation.

2.1. The England and Wales legislation, rather than Wales only legislation, present the major challenge. The latter, who at present are relatively few in number, are self contained and easily accessible.
2.2. The former, however, can be peppered with Welsh clauses, which can be difficult to locate. This adds to the already difficult task of ascertaining the power that the Assembly has and the legal position in Wales on a given subject.
2.3.

The suggestion that every Bill containing Welsh clauses should have such clauses grouped under a Welsh part is unhelpful to the practitioner. A logical flow to a Bill must be the overriding aim.

2.4.

The greater use of explanatory notes in legislation would assist. For example, annex B of the notes to the National Health Service Reform and Health Care Professions Act 2002 sets out in table form the effects in relation to Wales.

2.5. The choice of Wales only or England and Wales Legislation is an extremely important one. Clarity is important in all areas of legislation affecting the individual, but few more so than the planning legislation. The Assembly requested a Welsh Planning Bill. That would have greatly clarified the planning position in Wales. The present position is that the Office of the Deputy Prime Minister is putting forward a Planning Bill with Welsh only clauses. That is a lost opportunity.

3.

Assembly consultation in relation to draft legislation.

3.1. The Assembly has developed an effective system for consultation and the Internet is an important part of that system.
3.2.

However, independent legal practitioners are not usually consulted in respect of draft legislation. That is not wholly surprising given that responsibility for Criminal and Civil Justice remains with the UK Government.

3.3. Such consultation may be useful in particular areas, for example provisions affecting families, freedom of information, and individual human rights.   There are bodies that may be consulted which may be able to provide expertise on such matters, such as the Law Society Wales, the Wales and Chester Circuit, and the Wales Public Law and Human Rights Association. The latter is an association, which includes as its members barristers, solicitors, academics, and local and national government lawyers.

4.

The drafting of legislation in the Assembly and the procedures for enactment.

4.1. Given that the Assembly lawyers and members started drafting legislation only 3 years ago with little or no experience, there have been remarkably few difficulties with and challenges to Assembly legislation. One reason that is sometimes advanced is that historically the Welsh are reluctant to make administrative law challenges. That is a somewhat outdated view. In recent years there have been many challenges to the decisions of Welsh local authorities and other administrative bodies, and there is no reason in principle why the Assembly should be an exception.
4.2. A better explanation is that the main areas of Assembly legislation affect local authorities and other public bodies and agencies. There will usually have been a process of consultation. Such bodies are properly reluctant to use public funds to challenge the decisions of the elected body of the people of Wales
4.3. Recently such a body has succeeded in challenging an order of the Assembly.5 The High Court quashed an Order setting the contributions of local authorities to the South Wales Sea Fisheries Committee. The Court found on its true construction that the Order fixed rather than capped the contributions and was thus unlawful. Moreover, as the Sea Fisheries Committee did not then have the power to issue a substituted levy for the increased amount, the order was unworkable.
4.4. The draft order had been considered by the Business Committee and the Legislation Committee but pressures of time had prevented it from being considered by the relevant subject committee, the Agriculture and Rural Development Committee.
4.5 Better draftsmanship would have saved the Order on the first point, and reference to the relevant committee might have saved it on the second. There were severe time constraints in that case, and the case demonstrates the importance of full consideration by all relevant committees wherever possible.
4.6. There is no reason to suppose that as experience grows the drafting of legislation in Cardiff will present significantly greater problems than in Westminster.

5.

Accessibility

5.1 The accessibility of primary legislation has been touched upon above.
5.2. In respect of secondary legislation, the growing use of this mechanism by the UK Parliament over the last two decades or so has presented increasing difficulty for lawyers. The extensive use of commencement orders to bring into force different provisions of Acts at different times is a good example.
5.3. The passing of secondary legislation by a different body adds to the complexity.
5.4. Access to the respective websites of the Assembly and the Wales office has improved greatly the situation. There remains the difficulty of having to jump back and forth between the sites. An automatic link between connected provisions would be a further improvement. A comprehensive digest of Welsh Law would be the ideal
5.5. When as sometimes happens a researcher begins with a blank sheet, there is a need to read around a particular topic first to obtain an overview. The textbooks or the encyclopaedias are the best starting points. As these are published in England, little regard is paid at present to Welsh legislation. The Planning Encyclopaedia contains a small section for Wales dealing with circulars, guidance and advice notes of the Assembly, and that is all.
5.6. There are few researches that do not have access to the Internet, but they do exist. Their position is very difficult.

6.

Timing and divergence from England.

6.1. There are as yet only a few examples of divergence, as a matter of policy.
6.2. An important example of divergence is the abolition of local councillor surcharges, which has taken place in England but not in Wales. It is doubtful that this is a matter of policy.
6.3. From a practitioner's point of view, this adds little more difficulty than the point made in 5.2 above. Commencement provisions need a great deal of time and care whether English or Welsh.

7.

The cost of advising in a complex system

7.1 Barristers are usually instructed by solicitors in order to obtain specialist advice on a particular aspect of the latters' retainers. The difficulties outlined above may add somewhat to the time taken for the barrister to carry out research.
7.2. In any given case, however, it is unlikely that the barrister will have all the UK legislation at his or her fingertips but not the Welsh legislation. The amount of legislation now coming from the UK Parliament is huge in almost every field of practice.
7.3 The reality is that whether legislation comes from Westminster or Cardiff thorough research needs to be undertaken. It is unlikely that devolution adds greatly to the cost of advising

8.

The contribution of lawyers to policy making in Westminster and Cardiff.

8.1. Lawyers may contribute at many different levels to policy making. Many Westminster MP's are trained lawyers, but at present that is not the position with Assembly AMs. That may in part explain that lack of use of Standing Order 31.9. which enables members to table a motion proposing a Bill under
8.2. The Report of Review Group on Procedure 6 concluded that this could be addressed in part by building awareness amongst members in interpreting primary legislation and recommended that the
Presiding Office, with the Office of the Counsel General, provide briefing for members on primary legislation and the legislative process.
8.3. In respect of legislation directed at the Justice System, which of course is not a devolved matter, the
Law Commission regularly consults with independent
8.4. It is suggested that there is further scope for lawyers to contribute to policy making in Cardiff.
1.      In practice at the Bar in Cardiff since 1980, principally in the fields of chancery planning and local government. Appointed as a
        junior barrister to the Panel of Public Law Counsel to the National Assembly for Wales, has acted for and against the Assembly
        on a number of occasions
2      Devolution Guidance Note 9, Office of the Deputy Prime Minister, October 2002.
3      Evidence of the Secretary of State for Wales to the Select Committee on Welsh Affairs 18 November 2002.
4.     See note 3 above.